Guest Lady Penelope Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 5 minutes ago, Decimus said: Agreed. I'm not just pro-E.U., I would also back a federal United States of Europe, and truly believe that it would be the greatest sovereign state that has ever existed. Maybe one day we will abandon the parochial, insular attitudes that are prevalent in this country and embrace a diverse, united Europe. A federal United States of Europe would not be like the EU. The EU is simply not capable of reforming into such. It wold need a congress or paliament that had direct powers and a bureaurocratic machine that took its orders from those elected houses. The EU bureaurocractic machine would never yield its powers in such a way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 35 minutes ago, Decimus said: Agreed. I'm not just pro-E.U., I would also back a federal United States of Europe, and truly believe that it would be the greatest sovereign state that has ever existed. Maybe one day we will abandon the parochial, insular attitudes that are prevalent in this country and embrace a diverse, united Europe. This may be the vision of some on Europe and I am not criticising such a plan. However, Uncle Sam, despite all it says, would absolutely hate this idea. When the inter banking crisis of 2008 was unleashed, it was done so to fuck up the EU project. It worked and is still in effect today. The Yanks were never going to accept paying $1.60 for one shitty Euro. Today it is $1.06. America is laughing, their economy is 15% bigger than pre crisis levels, Eurozone growth is stagnant at pre crisis levels. The Yanks are putting their interest rates up (the FOMC will announce another rise later today) and no longer print funny money. The Eurozone has interest rates on its arse and has expanded its funny money programme. The crisis has laid the EU's liabilities bare, youth unemployment in Spain and Portugal is no less than 25%, massive public debts in bigger countries like France and Italy. I can add Greece to this list of basket cases. The whole thing is fucked economically, we are now fucking ourselves by elongating the leaving process. This is a golden opportunity to be ahead of the game, but a few uber rich interests hold all the cards and Joe Cunt's say in the referendum counts for next to fuck all. I don't need to mention immigration, I'll gladly let Merkel bump along with the1 million goat herders she has given refuge to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Snatch Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Unless someone apart from Gyps has a crystal ball,no cunt knows what will happen so save all your long sentences waffling on about shit that changes every time you watch the TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 13 minutes ago, Snatch said: Unless someone apart from Gyps has a crystal ball,no cunt knows what will happen so save all your long sentences waffling on about shit that changes every time you watch the TV. Why would any wanker believe what is on the box? I listed facts, not media speculation for commercial gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 15 minutes ago, The Beast said: Why would any wanker believe what is on the box? You mean to say I wasted my time sending Phil Mitchel a get well soon card? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witheredscrote Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Another 2+ pages of repetitive bollocks dragged to a new low by a Roadkill pretty picture. Fucking pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gong Farmer Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Was Ted Heath a Guardian reader? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mrs Roops Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 3 hours ago, Decimus said: First of all, the type of Chinese steel that is used to reinforce concrete, is of an incredibly low standard, and actually poses a significant health and safety risk. I haven't plucked this information out of thin air, or mined google for biased reports to back up my claims, I don't need to because it is a fact. My father-in-law is a welder, and within his profession it is well known that inclusions in Chinese steel rebar, mainly Boron, significantly increases the risk of a weld cracking. As for the British steel industry concentrating on specialist steel and alloys, they have not got much choice in going down a more specialist route, as standard Chinese steel flooding the market doesn't make it easy for them to compete in less specialist production. Whether the value of the subsequent manufactured goods is higher than imported Chinese goods I can't say, but I'll take your word for it. But what I can say is that if Chinese steel was subjected to a much higher tariff, British steel would be able to compete more effectively and further increase the value of our exports. Will the Chinese then increase their tariffs in response? Maybe, but by working with the E.U., and the new American administration we can force the Chinese to the negotiating table. They are an economy driven by exports, and the western world in theory has the ability to cripple its economy if it so wishes. What can the U.K. do on it's own? From the government's perspective, and from yours, they wish to keep the status quo and make it easier to trade with the Chinese by opposing restrictive tariffs. That's fine and adheres to free market principles, but is it better or worse in the long run for British manufacturing and jobs? If Brexit is about taking back control from Europe, is it now also about whoring ourselves to China and the rest of the world to keep our economy afloat at the expense of British jobs? I've looked at the bigger picture, and I say that it's better the devil you know, and within 15 years people will realise we were better off in the E.U. all along. Yeah the "boron riddled steel" scare pertaining to reinforcing bars and mesh was doing the rounds in the summer 2015. Once it was pointed out that welders only had to make slight adjustments to the welding process (as they do when dealing with the many types of steels and alloys) the story, pushed by the UK steel producers' lobbyists, was quickly dropped. Aside from that, your post reeks of remoaning. UK trade within Euro rules = all fine and dandy, trade with the rest of the world = akin to whoring. This country needs more skilled non-minimum wage jobs. A faster, sleeker, and more agile trading position will achieve this far quicker and more productively than a monolithic one-size fits all bureaucracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadkill Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Witheredscrote said: Another 2+ pages of repetitive bollocks dragged to a new low by a Roadkill pretty picture. Fucking pathetic. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadkill Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 47 minutes ago, Gong Farmer said: Oooh cold beans fresh from the can. Just how I like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gong Farmer Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, Roadkill said: Oooh cold beans fresh from the can. Just how I like them. Only when I too rat arsed pissed and stoned to find the microwave. Thank fuck they come with a ring pull otherwise I'd starve to fucking death not being able to find the can opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decimus Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 31 minutes ago, Mrs Roops said: Yeah the "boron riddled steel" scare pertaining to reinforcing bars and mesh was doing the rounds in the summer 2015. Once it was pointed out that welders only had to make slight adjustments to the welding process (as they do when dealing with the many types of steels and alloys) the story, pushed by the UK steel producers' lobbyists, was quickly dropped. Aside from that, your post reeks of remoaning. UK trade within Euro rules = all fine and dandy, trade with the rest of the world = akin to whoring. This country needs more skilled non-minimum wage jobs. A faster, sleeker, and more agile trading position will achieve this far quicker and more productively than a monolithic one-size fits all bureaucracy. It wasn't a scare, it was a legitimate issue. That it was pushed by steel lobbyists who obviously had an agenda is neither here nor there, it was a genuine concern and problem. That it could be rectified still doesn't disprove my original statement that Chinese steel is inferior to its British made counterpart. It is. For what it's worth, I completely agree with you that we need a diverse economy. I don't care about manufacturing in any of its forms, if we lost jobs in that sector it'd have no impact on me personally. What I was originally saying, is that the idea that Brexit will be all about putting Britain and the British first is utter rubbish, and Teresa May's statement has made the future agenda of the government clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadkill Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 10 minutes ago, Gong Farmer said: Only when I too rat arsed pissed and stoned to find the microwave. Thank fuck they come with a ring pull otherwise I'd starve to fucking death not being able to find the can opener. I just order takeaway when I'm blazed. Once gave a sexy pizza girl a draw off the joint I was smoking as a tip. She didn't complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest I know that Cunt Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 I've noticed that these dreadful remoaners that want a United States of Europe can't actually tell you why they want it, nor can they tell you what they think they have lost or will lose when we escape the whole failing project. Going on about fucking steel is utter bollocks the cunts. If they are so unhappy, I'll buy them a length of rope, kite marked of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadkill Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, I know that Cunt said: I've noticed that these dreadful remoaners that want a United States of Europe can't actually tell you why they want it, nor can they tell you what they think they have lost or will lose when we escape the whole failing project. Going on about fucking steel is utter bollocks the cunts. If they are so unhappy, I'll buy them a length of rope, kite marked of course. What annoys me is that they act like Britain is the only problem for this idea to work. There's plenty of other people in Euro countries who think the idea is a shitty one, too. The EU is barely holding together at the moment and people are willing to trust that pisshead prick Juncker with what would be the largest coalition of forces one man has ever had control over. And they'd all be speaking different languages. And using different equipment. It'd be a fucking mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manky Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Am I a cunt for admitting that after considering all the angles, I decided my main reason for voting for Brexit was to piss of numerous Johnny Foreigners. At least I am honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadkill Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 Just now, Manky said: Am I a cunt for admitting that after considering all the angles, I decided my main reason for voting for Brexit was to piss of numerous Johnny Foreigners. At least I am honest. And it worked! Bathe happily in those bitter foreign tears, Manky, for they are of your own making! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Manky Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 1 minute ago, Roadkill said: And it worked! Bathe happily in those bitter foreign tears, Manky, for they are of your own making! My next cunning plan is to supply millions of compasses to Africa with N and S swapped. Then 500 million gimmegrants, thinking they are heading for British benefits offices will end up walking into the Kruger National Park where they will get eaten by killer Impalas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deebom Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 The entire establishment and media machine told us it would be in our best interest to stay. Why would they advise us on what our best interests are, when everything else they do, is to serve themselves and is detrimental to us? Honestly, sort yourfuckingselves out. If they told us it's good for us, then it's good for them, and will be cunting the rest of us right off. How anyone cant see this is beyond me. Stop being stupid you cunts. Fuck the EU into a crooked hat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ape™️ Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 2 hours ago, I know that Cunt said: I've noticed that these dreadful remoaners that want a United States of Europe can't actually tell you why they want it, nor can they tell you what they think they have lost or will lose when we escape the whole failing project. Going on about fucking steel is utter bollocks the cunts. If they are so unhappy, I'll buy them a length of rope, kite marked of course. I've never known a CC member whose avatar so perfectly fits my mental image of them. Well done IKTC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ape™️ Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 5 hours ago, Mrs Roops said: Yeah the "boron riddled steel" scare pertaining to reinforcing bars and mesh was doing the rounds in the summer 2015. Once it was pointed out that welders only had to make slight adjustments to the welding process (as they do when dealing with the many types of steels and alloys) the story, pushed by the UK steel producers' lobbyists, was quickly dropped. Aside from that, your post reeks of remoaning. UK trade within Euro rules = all fine and dandy, trade with the rest of the world = akin to whoring. This country needs more skilled non-minimum wage jobs. A faster, sleeker, and more agile trading position will achieve this far quicker and more productively than a monolithic one-size fits all bureaucracy. Roops, I'm intrigued: how have you managed to learn so very much about everything? Are you an engineer or a scientist, or just someone that uses Google to try and appear much, much cleverer that they really are? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcum Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 2 hours ago, I know that Cunt said: I've noticed that these dreadful remoaners that want a United States of Europe can't actually tell you why they want it, nor can they tell you what they think they have lost or will lose when we escape the whole failing project. Going on about fucking steel is utter bollocks the cunts. If they are so unhappy, I'll buy them a length of rope, kite marked of course. you're one of the cunts I was talking about! Look everyone!! A thicko Brexit wallah who jerks off to Farage posters!! Come and see the wallah!!!! Allahu Akbar etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ape™️ Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 4 hours ago, Roadkill said: I just order takeaway when I'm blazed. Once gave a sexy pizza girl a draw off the joint I was smoking as a tip. She didn't complain. What does blazed mean? Are you American? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratcum Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 14 minutes ago, Ape said: Roops, I'm intrigued: how have you managed to learn so very much about everything? Are you an engineer or a scientist, or just someone that uses Google to try and appear much, much cleverer that they really are? Google has certainly elevated some cunts to a position of virtual cognisance Ape. However, if you take them off topic, they soon revert to type. I don't need a search engine to sniff out wonky people btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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